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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0003011 | MMW v4 | Properties/Auto-Tools | public | 2007-04-19 11:32 | 2007-08-27 01:41 |
| Reporter | jiri | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | immediate | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | closed | Resolution | fixed | ||
| Product Version | 3.0 | ||||
| Fixed in Version | 3.0 | ||||
| Summary | 0003011: Improvements in Properties dialog layout | ||||
| Description | For 3.0 we have made some improvements in Properties dialog. However, I feel that some changes aren't that good, or are at least incomplete: 1. Original Year field shouldn't be on the first page. I understand that it fits there visually pretty well, but since this field won't be used by most users at all and by some users only for some tracks, I think it should be moved back to Details tab. Or was it meant to be useful for Classical music for storing the year of composiion (vs. year of recording in the Date field)? 2. We have Conductor field visible when Genre=Classical on the Basic sheet. It's probably a good approach, but user can't view/edit this field at all when Genre<>Clasical! I think that in such a case we should show it in Details sheet(?) 3. Btw, there is a bug in Group Properties dialog: Classical genre written in Genre doesn't switch to Conductor, ... fields. Also, there's a checkbox above Artist that doesn't seem to be associated with anything. 4. Another bug: A value entered in Disc# or Track# manually (i.e. without using arrows) doesn't tick the check box. 5. This is possibly for a longer discussion in a separate issue, but I'd like to raise it here: Involved people is quite an outdated field - at least in its current state - as a single text field. I wonder whether we shouldn't include a support for a Table, where user could edit a list of Role - Person fields (e.g. 'Guitar' - 'His Name'). | ||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||
| Fixed in build | 1065 | ||||
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Assigning to Rusty to review the proposals. |
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6. As reported e.g. in http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93996#93996 , it would probably make sense to use the original idea of 0001545 point 7, i.e. a single page for classical/non-classical tracks properties and particularly have both 'Album Artist' and 'Orchestra' strings presents, so that's clear, that this is actually a single field. |
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7. One more bug: Genre reacts only when it's =Classical, it doesn't recognize e.g. 'Classical;Piano'. That said, I'd probably rather prefer to remove this way of distinguishing classical and pop music. |
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Raising to Immediate since this should be decided asap. |
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1. Orig year was place on the main page primarily for classical music 2. OK, assuming we keep Genre-based switch for the classical layout, conductor could be placed on the second page for non-classical music 3. bug-ok 4. bug-ok 5. I completely agree re. use of a table, but I think that this applies to more than just this field (e.g. could apply to multiple-definition fields). i.e. this is a 3.1 discussion. 6. I think that the main issues that arose were: a) confusion about the fact that Album Artist switches to Orchestra b) inability to use the classical form when variants of classical are used (e.g. Classical - barque OR Classical;baroque). I would suggest that both of these could be easily implemented and would resolve the most significant issues. i.e. a) Change the text on the classical form to Album Artist/Orchestra b) Have the form change when genre contains 'classical' c)If you disagree, the original proposal was: File path: _______________________ Filename: _______________________ Track Title: _______________________ Genre: ___________ Rating: _________ Artist: ____________________________ Album Artist/Orchestra: ____________ Composer: __________________________ Conductor: _________________________ Album: _____________________________ Disc#: ___________ Track#: _________ Date: ___________ Comments: HOWEVER, I'm not that keen on the proposal as it would mean that the average user who isn't interested in classical music would have to continually tab through fields. A potential alternative: File Path _____________________________________ [browse] File Name _____________________________________ [auto-organize] Title _____________________________________ Genres(s) ________________ Rating _____________ Artist(s) _____________________________________ [auto-tag from filename] Album Artist ________________ Date ______________ [auto-tag from web] Album ________________ Disc# ___ Track# ___ [buy] Grouping _____________________________________ Composer(s) ________________ Orig Year __________ Conductor(s) _____________________________________ Comments: 7. If we can't well-implement the switch to the classical form automatically, we could also do as another user suggested; have a manual switch. I'm not that keen on that idea though. An alternative approach is to add another tab for classical music that would just repeat what is in the basic tab, but would provide users with a more optimized form for classical music. This could also be fairly confusing though... in which case, we're left with 6c). |
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Jiri's comment re. 6c) -Artists(s) line wouldn't better be right above Title line, so that we group the most important properties? -If so, then maybe Album Artist line could be switched with Album line. Rusty's answer: -I wouldn't want to place Artist right above title, but I think it could be right below. -If so we could switch Album with Artist, but I'm not sure about that. Here are some other options (note that of all of them, I prefer 6c as it allows comptemporary music to be tagged without tabbing all over the place AND it groups the Artist/Album attributes close to the Grouping/Composer/Conductor attributes, which makes sense for classical music: 6d) File Path _____________________________________ [browse] File Name _____________________________________ [auto-organize] Title _____________________________________ Artist(s) _____________________________________ [auto-tag from filename] Album Artist ________________ Date ______________ [auto-tag from web] Album ________________ Disc# ___ Track# ___ [buy] Genres(s) ________________ Rating _____________ Grouping _____________________________________ Composer(s) ________________ Orig Year __________ Conductor(s) _____________________________________ Comments: 6e) File Path _____________________________________ [browse] File Name _____________________________________ [auto-organize] Title _____________________________________ Artist(s) _____________________________________ [auto-tag from filename] Album ________________ Disc# ___ Track# ___ [auto-tag from web] Album Artist ________________ Date ______________ [buy] Genres(s) ________________ Rating _____________ Grouping _____________________________________ Composer(s) ________________ Orig Year __________ Conductor(s) _____________________________________ Comments: 6f) File Path _____________________________________ [browse] File Name _____________________________________ [auto-organize] Title _____________________________________ Artist(s) _____________________________________ [auto-tag from filename] Album Artist ________________ Date ______________ [auto-tag from web] Album ________________ Disc# ___ Track# ___ [buy] Grouping _____________________________________ Composer(s) ________________ Orig Year __________ Conductor(s) _____________________________________ Genres(s) ________________ Rating _____________ Comments: |
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As discussed over IM, here's what we've agreed to: File Path __________________________________________________ [browse] File Name __________________________________________________ [auto-organize] Title __________________________________________________ [auto-tag from filename] Artist(s) __________________________________________________ Genres(s) _____________________________ Rating _____________ Album _____________________________ Disc# ___ Track# ___ [auto-tag from web] Album Artist _____________________________ Date _______________ [buy] Grouping __________________________________________________ Composer(s) _____________________________ Orig Year __________ Conductor(s) __________________________________________________ Comments |
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Note: I suggest that this bug can be resolved without implementing 'Grouping'. 'Grouping' can be tracked separately in 3258. |
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Done. Will be in 1061. |
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Tested 1061. It looks good just a couple of minor tweaks: 1) Genre box should be wider to accomodate multiple Genres. This can be done by making the ratings box narrower and by increasing the width of the Genres box. 2) it would be nice if Disc# and Track# could be squished a bit more to the right. |
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Done. Will be in 1062. |
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Note: The final changes agreed to are: Right and left align Text fields for: Rating Disc#, Track Number Date Orig Date Right and left align the text boxes for Genre, Album, Album Artist, Composer. Make the dialog a bit wider to accomodate this. Also, the Original Year field should be changed to Original Date. |
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Reopenning to make sure it's all implemented. Also, other tabs should be modified so that they don't look weird because of the new (larger) size of the dialog. I.e. controls should be better aligned, centered, etc. Btw, Info tab should be slightly modified: 1. Fields Seekable, Copyrighted and Original should be removed, they aren't really much used, they are filled only from mp3 header and thus don't make much sense in MM. 2. Album leveling should be added to Track Leveling field. 3. Stereo should be renamed to Channels and show properly Mono and Stereo strings (also other for multichannel streams). 4. After these changes we could probably get rid of Info tab and move its content to Details tab? |
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Done. Change from Original Year to Original Date will be tracked in issue 3411. |
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Looks really good. Re-opening for a couple of minor tweaks: On the basic panel: -for Rating, Disc#, Track#, Date, Original date: remove the ':' to make it look a little cleaner (e.g. 'Rating:' --> 'Rating' On the details panel: -Move 'leveling' to the left column under 'Channels', and Move 'Play Counter' and 'Last Played' to the bottom of the right column, under 'VBR'. That way the columns are more even -Move the section of read-only fields slightly lower |
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Done. Will be in 1063. |
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Re. the layout on the details panel, I wasn't very clear. My intent was that the number of rows should be evened out between the two columns. e.g. the following layout would work: Length ______________ File Size ___________ Bitrate _____________ VBR _____________ Frequency: __________ Channels ___________ Play Counter: _______ Volume Leveling: ________ Last Played: ________ Note: the column widths should also be even if possible (Currently the right column is much wider). |
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Done. Will be in 1064. |
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Verified 1064. |
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Some controls are +/- 1 pixel, some other alignments are needed for new size of the dialog. |
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Fixed in build 1065. |
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Verified 1065. |
